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I have an SimpleHomeNet EZIO8T module sensing my garage door open/close and turning the garage lights off/on accordingly.
I have ordered the new Insteon Motion Sensor, and plan to use it with PH to control the lights OFF indirectly, instead of directly from the EZIO8T so that the light will turn off when the door is closed if no one is in the garage (leaving home), but will keep the light on when returning home and in the garage.
So far, however, I cannot trigger anything from the '8T'. I have tried triggering from the 8T using Insteon Broadcast/Group/Device Change Trigger Types, but none seem to be sensed.
I know the 8T is sending something out as the lights do go on/off when linked to it.
Thus several questions.
1. What Trigger Type woulld one use to sense the 8T's output?
2. Is there anything special that needs to be done in defining the EZIO8T device in the Types or Devices tabs?
3. What is the best way to discover what the 8T is sending for debugging? My Insteon SDM Log in the Insteon Explorer window is so active I can't stop it long enough to see what has happened despite setting the Poll Interval to 0 and unchecking the various Scans. Are there ph_ functions to put things into Global Variables, etc for debugging purposes?
Thanks all! 
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I have an EZIO2x4. I have Input 1 connected to a Meier Driveway Alert (normally open relay).
I used the SimpleHomeNet utility to set Input 1 as Group 3.
In Insteon Explorer I linked the PLC as a responder to group 3 of the EZIO.
My trigger = Insteon Group In, Trigger ID = Device ID of my EZIO, Trigger ID Number = 3 (Group Number for Input), Trigger Value = in my case "On".
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Thanks jbbtex. That is exactly what I have set up and am thus frustrated that it produces no response.
This is one of those things that seems like it should work OK, but doesn't for unexplained reasons.
But that said, there has to be a reason, so here are more details. Perhaps someone can see what the issue(s) might be.
Insteon Parameters:
PLC = 08.A2.04
EZIO8T = 08.9E.0C
Light = 04.7D.0C
My Trigger event is . . .
My PLC/EZIO8T Links are set up as . . .
and the Insteon traffic I see upon Door Close (which is what my Trigger is trying to sense) is
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**Door Closing Sequence
2008-07-30 08:58:11.562 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 08:58:11.671 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CB 13 00
2008-07-30 08:58:11.703 RX EVENTRAW=02
2008-07-30 08:58:11.921 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 08:58:12.015 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 F7 17 9F A5 3C 18 AE CF C1
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So....
PH seems to be getting the light OFF [13] command from the 8T but my "test" light (DWN TABLE in the Action field of the Trigger) never goes off.
I'm stumped.
Does anyone see what I've missed?
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What entries do you have in you PH log?
You should have a Trigger Check entry with the ID of your trigger in the details field.
If so, the next entry should be Insteon Out that performs a FASTON of DWN TABLE.
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2 Thoughts… Where is that NAK coming from F7.17.9F? It may be a “Group not found”. And is the device linked to the PLC?
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jbbtex wrote:
What entries do you have in you PH log?
You should have a Trigger Check entry with the ID of your trigger in the details field.
If so, the next entry should be Insteon Out that performs a FASTON of DWN TABLE.
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There is NEVER a "Trigger Check" entry in the log.
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Interesting question! I have no devices with address F7.17.9F.
As to linking... since I have no F7.17.9F I'm not linked to it. The EZIO8T and the (PLC and two lights) are linked as shown in my screen capture several posts above.
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It appears, whatever is the cause, the Trigger did NOT fire because the condition was not met. I wonder what would happen if the PLC was linked to the device otherwise linked in both directions.
Since the address doesn’t show up valid what about the other one A5.3C.18 ?
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BeachBum -
Neither the F7.17.9F nor the A5.3c.18 addresses exist in my Universe!
That is what has been throwing me in debugging this. I assumed that maybe they were Command bytes (rather than addresses) that I just didn't understand.
The strange thing is that the EZIO8T controls its associated lights OK, and faithfully reports its status back to PH as displayed in the Device Status window. These ghost address do not show up in the Bad ID, or Devices without Links reports either.
How all that can work, but a Trigger can't has this hombre very frustrated. 
Is there a way to capture the 8T output with a ph_? script command and tuck results into a Global variable where I can see what PH thinks happened?
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The only log/trace that I’m aware at our level is the PLC log which you have trapped. Maybe if we could see a little more of the log we might see more of that strange addressing or something else. Have you physically linked the PLC or just by PH? If you go to PH Explorer-Devices-Insteon-Groups does it look correct there?
Have you tried to fire the trigger using Insteon Device Change Device OFF?
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I just tried linking the 8T/PLC by putting PH in Discover Mode and using the SET button on the 8T. PH reported the device discovered but advised it was not added (I'm assuming since I already had used PH to link the PLC to 8t and 8T to PLC.
Everything looks OK to me in the Insteon Groups area.
I then changed the Trigger to be "On Device Change" and captured the data stream showing the 8T action on door open, and then door close.
This time my test (DWN TABLE) light did come on.
This is the Insteon Data Stream. Unfortunately the time stamps didn't copy with my capture. Hopefully that won't be a problem.
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** Door Open Sequence
RX EVENTRAW=02
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 04 7D 0C 00 00 01 CF 13 00
RX EVENTRAW=02
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 04 7D 0C 05 43 5F 45 13 01
RX EVENTRAW=01
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=01 04 7D 0C 08 A2 04 45 13 01
**Door Close Sequence
RX EVENTRAW=02
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 11 00
TX srir=00 00 00 01 63 E9 0F 11 FF
RX EVENTRAW=02
RX SENTINSTEON=08 A2 04 01 63 E9 0F 11 FF
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 04 7D 0C 45 11 01
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX EVENTRAW=04
RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2F 11 FF
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX SRIR=03,01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2F 11 FF
TX srir=00 00 00 01 63 E9 0F 11 FF
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX SENTINSTEON=08 A2 04 01 63 E9 0F 11 FF
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX EVENTRAW=04
RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2F 11 FF
RX SRIR=04,01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2F 11 FF
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX EVENTRAW=03
RX EVENTRAW=04
RX EVENTRAW=02
RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 B3 94 9B 31 32 73 60 D8 CD
RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 04 7D 0C 65 13 01
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Well this is progress, but I'm mighty curious why the "expected" control approach does work. I'll play more with the Device Change Trigger and see what I can learn.
Super help and ideas, so far. Much Thanks.
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That looks good.  I’ve never been able to make the Group work and I thought it was just me. Maybe someone will chime in with an idea why.
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Here is a long data stream (sorry 'bout that) that captures a failure for the 8T to control its linked light, then after several attempts of opening/closing the door the linked light did go off and the DWN TABLE light also changed (but I don't know when in the sequence).
If anyone is more savy re: Insteon raw data decoding it would sure be helpful to understand:
1. Why the lights (04.7D.0C, 05.43.5F) linked to the 8T (08.9E.0C)always work to turn ON, but fail to turn OFF maybe 30% of the time.
2. Which 8T state change caused the test light (01.63.E9)to turn OFF?
Here is the data stream . . .
[DATA]
** Early Stuff
2008-07-30 16:12:40.171 RX RECEIVEX10RAW=01 63
2008-07-30 16:12:40.218 RX RECEIVEX10=A OFF
** Beginning of Attempts to control lights with EZIO8T device
2008-07-30 16:20:01.390 TX sendinsteonraw=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6B 03
2008-07-30 16:20:01.468 RX SENTINSTEON=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6B 03
2008-07-30 16:20:01.718 RX SENDINSTEONRAW=TRUE
2008-07-30 16:20:01.921 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:02.125 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:02.234 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:02.328 RX EVENTRAW=04
2008-07-30 16:20:02.343 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 0E 60 36 08 A2 04 26 6B 94
2008-07-30 16:20:02.421 TX sendinsteonraw=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6B 02
2008-07-30 16:20:02.421 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:02.515 RX SENTINSTEON=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6B 02
2008-07-30 16:20:02.656 RX SENDINSTEONRAW=TRUE
2008-07-30 16:20:02.859 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:03.062 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:03.171 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:03.468 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:03.484 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:03.687 RX EVENTRAW=04
2008-07-30 16:20:03.687 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 0E 60 36 08 A2 04 2B 6B 00
2008-07-30 16:20:03.765 TX sendinsteonraw=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6A 20
2008-07-30 16:20:03.765 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:03.765 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:03.765 RX SENTINSTEON=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6A 20
2008-07-30 16:20:04.015 RX SENDINSTEONRAW=TRUE
2008-07-30 16:20:04.218 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:04.421 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:04.625 RX EVENTRAW=04
2008-07-30 16:20:04.640 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 0E 60 36 08 A2 04 26 6A 00
2008-07-30 16:20:04.703 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:20:12.859 RX EVENTRAW=04
2008-07-30 16:20:12.968 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 B3 4B A6 64 D9 98 20 CC C9
2008-07-30 16:21:04.187 RX EVENTRAW=02
2008-07-30 16:21:04.296 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:21:04.406 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 11 00
2008-07-30 16:36:13.484 RX EVENTRAW=08
2008-07-30 16:36:13.484 RX RECEIVEX10RAW=00 65
2008-07-30 16:36:13.531 RX RECEIVEX10=A7
2008-07-30 16:36:13.921 RX EVENTRAW=08
2008-07-30 16:36:13.921 RX RECEIVEX10RAW=01 62
2008-07-30 16:36:13.984 RX RECEIVEX10=A ON
2008-07-30 16:38:27.781 RX EVENTRAW=02
2008-07-30 16:38:27.890 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:38:27.984 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 04 7D 0C 00 00 01 CF 13 00
2008-07-30 16:38:28.125 RX EVENTRAW=02
2008-07-30 16:38:28.218 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:38:28.218 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 04 7D 0C 05 43 5F 45 13 01
2008-07-30 16:38:28.359 RX EVENTRAW=01
2008-07-30 16:38:28.453 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:38:28.562 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=01 04 7D 0C 08 A2 04 45 13 01
2008-07-30 16:38:32.812 RX EVENTRAW=02
2008-07-30 16:38:32.906 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:38:32.906 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 11 00
2008-07-30 16:38:32.968 RX EVENTRAW=02
2008-07-30 16:38:33.171 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:38:33.281 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 04 7D 0C 45 11 01
2008-07-30 16:39:53.484 RX EVENTRAW=02
2008-07-30 16:39:53.593 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:39:53.593 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 11 00
2008-07-30 16:41:07.984 RX EVENTRAW=02
2008-07-30 16:41:08.093 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:08.093 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:08.156 TX srir=00 00 00 01 63 E9 0F 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:08.234 RX SENTINSTEON=08 A2 04 01 63 E9 0F 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:08.296 RX EVENTRAW=02
2008-07-30 16:41:08.484 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:08.593 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 04 7D 0C 45 13 01
2008-07-30 16:41:08.765 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:08.796 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:08.828 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:08.843 RX EVENTRAW=04
2008-07-30 16:41:08.875 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:09.000 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:09.046 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2B 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:09.109 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:09.125 RX SRIR=03,01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2B 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:09.140 TX srir=00 00 00 01 63 E9 0F 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:09.531 RX SENTINSTEON=08 A2 04 01 63 E9 0F 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:09.984 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:10.187 RX EVENTRAW=04
2008-07-30 16:41:10.187 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2F 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:10.234 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:10.234 RX SRIR=03,01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2F 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:10.234 RX EVENTRAW=03
2008-07-30 16:41:10.328 RX EVENTRAW=03
[/DATA]
Much thanks ahead of time to any that can help. This SimpleHomeNet device sure is handy but I feel like I have a tiger by the tail with it.
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I labeled some of this trace. I don't know why you are getting leading zeros in the early entries. They look invalid to me. The rest seems normal. I can't tell when you are seeing the failure.
** Beginning of Attempts to control lights with EZIO8T device
2008-07-30 16:20:01.390 TX sendinsteonraw=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6B 03 ??
2008-07-30 16:20:01.468 RX SENTINSTEON=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6B 03 ??
2008-07-30 16:20:02.343 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 0E 60 36 08 A2 04 26 6B 94 ACK
2008-07-30 16:20:02.421 TX sendinsteonraw=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6B 02 ??
2008-07-30 16:20:02.515 RX SENTINSTEON=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6B 02 ??
2008-07-30 16:20:03.687 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 0E 60 36 08 A2 04 2B 6B 00 ACK
2008-07-30 16:20:03.765 TX sendinsteonraw=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6A 20 ???
2008-07-30 16:20:03.765 RX SENTINSTEON=00 00 00 0E 60 36 05 6A 20
2008-07-30 16:20:04.640 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 0E 60 36 08 A2 04 26 6A 00 ACK
2008-07-30 16:20:12.968 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 B3 4B A6 64 D9 98 20 CC C9 ACK
2008-07-30 16:21:04.406 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 11 00 GROUP ON
2008-07-30 16:38:27.984 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 04 7D 0C 00 00 01 CF 13 00 GROUP OFF
2008-07-30 16:38:28.218 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 04 7D 0C 05 43 5F 45 13 01 GROUP CLEANUP
2008-07-30 16:38:28.562 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=01 04 7D 0C 08 A2 04 45 13 01 GROUP CLEANUP
2008-07-30 16:38:32.906 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 11 00 GROUP ON
2008-07-30 16:38:33.281 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 04 7D 0C 45 11 01 GROUP CLEANUP
2008-07-30 16:39:53.593 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 11 00 GROUP ON
2008-07-30 16:41:08.093 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 13 00 GROUP OFF
2008-07-30 16:41:08.156 TX srir=00 00 00 01 63 E9 0F 13 00
2008-07-30 16:41:08.234 RX SENTINSTEON=08 A2 04 01 63 E9 0F 13 00 OFF
2008-07-30 16:41:08.593 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 04 7D 0C 45 13 01 GROUP CLEANUP
2008-07-30 16:41:09.046 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2B 13 00 ACK
2008-07-30 16:41:09.125 RX SRIR=03,01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2B 13 00 OFF
2008-07-30 16:41:09.140 TX srir=00 00 00 01 63 E9 0F 13 00 OFF
2008-07-30 16:41:09.531 RX SENTINSTEON=08 A2 04 01 63 E9 0F 13 00 OFF
2008-07-30 16:41:10.187 RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=04 01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2F 13 00 ACK
2008-07-30 16:41:10.234 RX SRIR=03,01 63 E9 08 A2 04 2F 13 00 OFF
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Gadget -
Are you sure that you have set the EZIO's Input 1 to correspond to the EZIO's Group 1? On my EZIO2x4, the Inputs are factory set to Group 0. I had to use the Simple Home Net Utility to set Input 1 to the EZIO group I wanted.
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Roger that. Here is my setup
BTW - the reason there are leading zeros in the data streams above posted is that these are from my Insteon Thermostat.
The STAT is defined as a device type but never used as such since it is subsequently defined as a Virtual Analog device and used in that mode for status and control. This seems to make things "unhappy" with regard to Insteon traffic, but I'm not sure what to do about it. Device 0E.60.36 is the STAT.
PS - thanks for the data stream labels. It was very informative for me. 
What was interersting about them is that the final two Transmit (TX) messages were to the DWN TABLE light (01.63.E9 my test light) and were the PH Trigger response to the 10th data stream line up from the bottom of the post above
[RX RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=02 08 9E 0C 00 00 01 CF 13 00 GROUP OFF ]
This Command x13 out from the EZIO8T is to turn its linked lights off and is a Group Command followed by a Group Cleanup to 04.7D.0C (the linked shop light).
Yet these very same data stream elements do not seem to serve as Triggers in PH. At least I haven't been able to trigger on them, only a "Device Change" type trigger.
Dave, is this a issue that needs looking into?
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The sequence I see is:
41:08.093 EZIO Group Off Trig
41:08.156 PH Test Off
41:08.234 PLC Test Off
41:08.593 EZIO Test Group Cleanup
41:09.046 Test ACK from 41:08.234
41:09.125 PH rec’d
41:09.140 PH Test Off
41:09.531 PLC Test Off
41:10.187 Test ACK
41:10.234 PH rec’d
Is that what you see ?
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BeachBum wrote:
The sequence I see is:
41:08.093 EZIO Group Off Trig
41:08.156 PH Test Off
41:08.234 PLC Test Off
41:08.593 EZIO Test Group Cleanup
41:09.046 Test ACK from 41:08.234
41:09.125 PH rec’d
41:09.140 PH Test Off
41:09.531 PLC Test Off
41:10.187 Test ACK
41:10.234 PH rec’d
Is that what you see ?
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Yes. That matches my understanding.
FYI here is a list of my Addresses:
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Have you tried a reset on your PLC?
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jbbtex wrote:
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No I haven't.
Good idea. I'll advise what happens. 
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